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Venus-Pluto (The overbearing, evil mother)

Beitrag von Tigerin am So Nov 05, 2017 2:50 pm

© 2017 Tigerin

The following applies to tension aspects (Conjunct, Square, Opposite) between Venus and Pluto in the natal chart.

Venus-Pluto tension aspects in the natal chart are similar to Moon-Pluto tension aspects. A lot of what applies to Moon-Pluto, applies to Venus-Pluto, meaning it's advisable to read the Moon-Pluto post:


Moon and Venus both stand for the mother, how she behaves toward the child. Moon and Venus (especially the aspects!) show the true character of the mother.

With Venus-Pluto, the mother is intrusive and evil, especially regarding anything physical (body shaming etc.) and money-wise.  Twisted Evil

The mother of a Venus-Pluto person very often had an agenda for having the child (marrying for money, trapping a guy, not having to work etc.). The same goes for most mothers of Moon-Pluto.

The mother won't grant the child any privacy (the door must be open at all times, the child has the mother standing behind him/her when brushing his/her teeth, the mother opens and reads letters that are meant for the child. In other words: The mother of Venus-Pluto is breathing down the child's neck. In the worst case, with Venus-Pluto, the mother is extremely physically abusive (beats up the child, or worse).  :nudelholz:

The mother of Venus-Pluto puts the child down, often with mean comments about the child's physical appearance (“Your thighs are too fat.” etc.). 

Venus also stands for money, meaning it's not uncommon that the mother of Venus-Pluto steals the child's money, for example, alimony payments, or withholds money.

Venus DOES NOT stand for love. Venus stands for women and money.

Sharing private information, or other backstabbing actions, will immediately be punished by the Venus-Pluto (or any Pluto) person with the breaking off contact.

The most important thing in general when it comes to Pluto-people (Pluto-people = people who have a tension aspect (or more) from Pluto to Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, or Mars, and Square the Ascendant/Descendant = 1st/7th house, or MC/IC = 10th house/4th house) is that when betrayal, or some other kind of evilness takes place, you can forget about ever reconciling with them. Pluto is unforgiving. The traitor will get cast out and all the bad luck in the world will be wished upon him/her.

Moon and Venus do not only concern the mother, but women in general, as well as money.

For Venus-Pluto women, as well as Moon-Pluto, the topic of female friendships should be approached with great caution. Mainly, if not completely, they should befriend only other Venus-Pluto and/or Moon-Pluto women. IF you befriend a woman who does not have Moon-Pluto or Venus-Pluto, at least make sure she has any Moon-Neptune aspect (Moon-Neptune = Compassion) or at the very least a tense Moon-Mars aspect. A hard Moon-Lilith aspect is okay too, but still, remember Lilith is a lot weaker than Pluto. Meaning Moon-Lilith women suffered a great deal less and therefore do not relate to the treachery and pain Venus-Pluto (or Moon-Pluto) has endured, meaning many Moon-Lilith women have no problem stabbing Venus-Pluto (or Moon-Pluto) in the back.

Forget about tense aspects many women have between Venus and Lilith (too weak), Venus and Mars (even weaker) or Venus and Neptune (Moon-Neptun stands for compassion, not Venus-Neptune!). They will stab Venus-Pluto and Moon-Pluto in the back. They deny it, but they will do it eventually.

Many women are hostile, domineering and evil toward a Venus-Pluto person. They plot against him/her, and in the worst case, never let go, meaning they are obsessed with him/her, just like the mother is.  Twisted Evil

These women, like the mother, feel threatened by the Venus-Pluto person. Without a rational reason. Women who sabotage Venus-Pluto or Moon-Pluto are through and through diabolical. Entitled divas who expect others to bow down before them and accept any behavior. They want to see Venus-Pluto beneath them, have power over him/her. That is why Venus-Pluto should all the more let women feel his/her power.  :fresse dich!:

Many women will reject the Venus-Pluto (and Moon-Pluto) person for no rational reason, just like the own mother does. 

Most men who have a Venus-Pluto tension aspect (or Moon-Pluto) in their natal chart (or Pluto in the 7th house or square the 7th house) mainly come across domineering women who plot against them (especially if these men are very young, under 30 years). These evil women, for instance, “accidentally” get pregnant, follow him around everywhere, or marry for money, and then play victim.
These evil, domineering women use the guy in some way and bully him. :schimpfen:

When older (over 30 years old), some of these men are more cautious and with luck and knowing the red flags (controlling behavior is number 1!) will only be with normal-in-the-head women. Of course, it also happens that many never change the pattern. Which is to live Pluto yourself.

However, even if a person (man or woman) with Venus-Pluto, Moon-Pluto, Pluto in the 7th house or square the 7th house, breaks the pattern, he/she will still not be friends with a woman, or be with a woman, who is overly nice and sweet. Assuming that she's a good person, she will be very strong-minded and have no problem putting someone in his/her place.

At the worst, these men will come across abusive, crazy women, and at best, strong-willed and firm/tough. Men with Moon-Pluto, Venus-Pluto, as well as Pluto in or to the 7th house, Venus in the 8th house, Moon in Scorpio, or Moon in the 8th house (Venus in Scorpio is the least evil) are not interested in women who are too nice and sweet. 

They must be extra careful when it comes to women. It's better for them to surround themselves with Pluto-women. They can empathize.

Venus also stands for money, meaning a Venus-Pluto person (Pluto in the 2nd house is similar) will experience powerlessness regarding money matters. Either there is a compulsive need to spend money as soon as it's earned, or they have their money stolen, or in another way withheld from them. They have to fight for their money.

With Pluto, it's not about little things, or silly disagreements, but evil exploitation and scheming against the Pluto person. For example: women will make sure Venus-Pluto loses his/her job, or make sure the entire circle of friends turn against Venus-Pluto (for no reason! - this is caused by manipulation from women toward Venus-Pluto or Moon-Pluto, as well as it gets supported by ignorance or following the herd mentality).

Pluto must not be underestimated and should be lived by the Pluto person him/herself.

It can be very dangerous if Pluto tension aspects don't get the attention and caution they need, which is unfortunately often the case. Statements such as “There are no good or bad aspects” are not only false, but mostly come from people who either have no mind of their own, are afraid to disagree with others, or simply know nothing about astrology, even if they claim they do.

An example of how Pluto needs to be lived: A Mercury-Pluto person is best at writing, or in another way, communicating, BUT it has to be in a violent way, meaning writing about violent topics, or, in other words: a Pluto-way. In-your-face writing, discovering secrets and hidden things. The choice of words or tone of voice should be direct, blunt, even brutal (Pluto-people in general are very direct and honest. They hate phoniness).
Writing thrillers or about dark topics regarding any kind of violence or power imbalance, becoming a lawyer, writer, or journalist etc. In general having a sharp tongue and exposing secrets or the harsh truth about something. If a Mercury-Pluto person does not live the Pluto-energy him/herself, it will be experienced from outside, meaning coming from other people.

Rarely, if ever, do people say or know this, but I do:






Beast (= Pluto).





Often the exact opposite gets told, namely to be extra nice to women, which is WRONG.
With a tension aspect between Moon and Pluto, or Venus and Pluto in the natal chart, a person has to be extremely stern with women.  :schimpfen:

If a Venus-Pluto (or Moon-Pluto) person thinks "I'm gonna show her she can be safe around me, that I'm not a threat.", he/she has to think again. IT DOES NOT WORK. You're nice and you don't want women to feel threatened around you? Get over it. They aren't supposed to feel safe around you. They should feel threatenend. Do not reassure or soothe women, they will only stab you in the back more. You have to live the Pluto energy yourself. That's the trick that no one tells you. No one, but me.

Be assertive with women, order them around, make them fear you. They have to bow down to Venus-Pluto and Moon-Pluto. Remember the kind of teachers in school that would enter the classroom and everyone hushes? Everyone is afraid they'll get scolded and are therefore more than happy to do their homework and never miss a class otherwise they don't know what awaits them? These teachers exude authority. THAT'S what I mean. Be like that. And no bluffing. If a woman harms you in any way, stabs you in the back, she will have to deal with the consequences.  Twisted Evil

No exceptions. No mercy.

Pluto is brutal.

Messing with a Pluto person is something to think twice about. Many of them are not only unforgiving, but believe in revenge, no matter how long it takes them to restore the balance.  :fresse dich!:

Venus in Scorpio or Venus in the 8th house are similar to Venus-Pluto tension aspects, but a lot weaker. (Moon in the 8th house or Moon in Scorpio is much worse than Venus in the 8th house or Venus in Scorpio).

People who don't believe all this 1) do not have a tense Pluto aspect to the Moon or Venus, and 2) should check their Natal Chart and the Transits and see when they had (or will have) a tense Pluto aspect to their natal Moon or Venus, and see what kinds of women they come across during those about 5-6 years.

There are indeed exceptions where a person with a Venus-Pluto tension aspect is psychotic toward women. Mostly there is something that is contradictory in the birth chart. Such as a tense Jupiter aspect to either the Moon or Venus. As well as that the mother was the least abusive toward the child who decides to be abusive him/herself toward women.

© 2017 Tigerin

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